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	<title>Comments on: How can we use #PrivChat to press for #privacy rights?  (REVISED)</title>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://www.talesfromthe.net/jon/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-180081</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 04:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Six months later, with EPIC taking over the moderation reins from CDT, there are a couple of prime activism opportunities coming up:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talesfromthe.net/jon/?p=2918&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pseudonymity on Google+&lt;/a&gt; (which I&#039;ve proposed as a topic for tomorrow) and HR 1981, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/congress_out_to_spy_on_your_puter_z8eadkV4ktqtKfanoon1eL&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;data retention bill&lt;/a&gt;.  Seems like a great opportunity for #privchat!

There are already some great Google-focused activism ideas floating around like Identity Woman&#039;s proposed &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.identitywoman.net/million-persona-march-on-google-labor-day&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Million Persona March&lt;/a&gt;.  Looking at the list in my original post about ways for #privchat to have an impact, here&#039;s a few things we could do:

&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;inviting somebody from Google and/or reporters who are covering the issue to a discussion&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;because of the range of opinions on #privchat, raising the bar of overall discussion by having groups of people advance well-reasoned arguments both for and against pseudonymity on Google+&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;helping build momentum for promising ideas and brainstorming new ones&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;highlighting #privchat regulars like Hibe and Pidder, which provide pseudonymity-friendly alternatives to Google+&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;

ACLU, BORDC, CDT, EPIC, Privacy Rights Clearinghouse and many others are all part of the &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.eff.org/files/PrivacyHR1981.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;broad coalition opposing HR 1981&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/07/data-retention&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;EFF, &lt;a href=&quot;http://act.demandprogress.org/letter/snooping_bill/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Demand Progress&lt;/a&gt;, and other organizations already have active campaigns.  So just by providing a ten-minute segment for the different groups working on the issue to share their different campaigns and talking points, , #privchat can help make connections.  Sharing talking points and understanding about who the key votes to influence in the House and Senate can make everybody more effective.  And once again, our range of backgrounds is likely to make our discussion particularly interesting -- for example bringing in corporate perspectives both from the US and abroad.  Beyond that, who knows: an initial conversation would probably lead to interesting followup possibilities.

Thoughts about any of those?

jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Six months later, with EPIC taking over the moderation reins from CDT, there are a couple of prime activism opportunities coming up:  <a href="http://www.talesfromthe.net/jon/?p=2918" rel="nofollow">pseudonymity on Google+</a> (which I&#8217;ve proposed as a topic for tomorrow) and HR 1981, the <a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/congress_out_to_spy_on_your_puter_z8eadkV4ktqtKfanoon1eL" rel="nofollow">data retention bill</a>.  Seems like a great opportunity for #privchat!</p>
<p>There are already some great Google-focused activism ideas floating around like Identity Woman&#8217;s proposed <a href="http://www.identitywoman.net/million-persona-march-on-google-labor-day" rel="nofollow">Million Persona March</a>.  Looking at the list in my original post about ways for #privchat to have an impact, here&#8217;s a few things we could do:</p>
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<li>inviting somebody from Google and/or reporters who are covering the issue to a discussion</li>
<li>because of the range of opinions on #privchat, raising the bar of overall discussion by having groups of people advance well-reasoned arguments both for and against pseudonymity on Google+</li>
<li>helping build momentum for promising ideas and brainstorming new ones</li>
<li>highlighting #privchat regulars like Hibe and Pidder, which provide pseudonymity-friendly alternatives to Google+</li>
</ul>
<p>ACLU, BORDC, CDT, EPIC, Privacy Rights Clearinghouse and many others are all part of the <a href="https://www.eff.org/files/PrivacyHR1981.pdf" rel="nofollow">broad coalition opposing HR 1981</a>, and <a href="http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/07/data-retention" rel="nofollow">EFF, </a><a href="http://act.demandprogress.org/letter/snooping_bill/" rel="nofollow">Demand Progress</a>, and other organizations already have active campaigns.  So just by providing a ten-minute segment for the different groups working on the issue to share their different campaigns and talking points, , #privchat can help make connections.  Sharing talking points and understanding about who the key votes to influence in the House and Senate can make everybody more effective.  And once again, our range of backgrounds is likely to make our discussion particularly interesting &#8212; for example bringing in corporate perspectives both from the US and abroad.  Beyond that, who knows: an initial conversation would probably lead to interesting followup possibilities.</p>
<p>Thoughts about any of those?</p>
<p>jon</p>
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		<title>By: e.politics: online advocacy tools &#38; tactics &#187; Quick Hits — May 10, 2011</title>
		<link>http://www.talesfromthe.net/jon/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-146434</link>
		<dc:creator>e.politics: online advocacy tools &#38; tactics &#187; Quick Hits — May 10, 2011</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 03:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Liminal states :: Tuesday: Stop Surveillance in San Francisco</title>
		<link>http://www.talesfromthe.net/jon/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-141000</link>
		<dc:creator>Liminal states :: Tuesday: Stop Surveillance in San Francisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 01:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] privacy chat &#8212; 9 a.m. Pacific, 12 Eastern.   Deborah and I are #privchat regulars, and last week  EFF and BORDC were there as well, discussing the PATRIOT Act phone-in day.  If you&#8217;ve never [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] privacy chat &#8212; 9 a.m. Pacific, 12 Eastern.   Deborah and I are #privchat regulars, and last week  EFF and BORDC were there as well, discussing the PATRIOT Act phone-in day.  If you&#8217;ve never [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://www.talesfromthe.net/jon/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-140935</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The April 5 #privchat was the same day as a PATRIOT Act activism campaign, so EFF, BORDC, and Get FISA Right worked together to propose the first question.  Shaun Dakin did a great job at capturing the discussion &lt;a href=&quot;http://storify.com/privacycamp/privchat-summary-from-april-5th-2011-twitter-chat-&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;using Storify&lt;/a&gt;.  Here&#039;s an excerpt from the beginning:

&lt;center&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://storify.com/privacycamp/privchat-summary-from-april-5th-2011-twitter-chat-&quot; title=&quot;Twitter discussion of the PATRIOT Act with EFF, BORDC, GetFISARight&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5069/5610805372_4a79ff0bf3.jpg&quot; width=&quot;338&quot; height=&quot;500&quot; alt=&quot;patriot act at privchat&quot;/&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/center&gt;

From an activist perspective, it&#039;s a great chance to spend a few minutes discussing the issues with allies, and at the same time get the word out to people who aren&#039;t likely to be aware of what&#039;s happening.  BORDC&#039;s tweet about &quot;material support&quot; is a great example, providing a pithy summary of an issue that&#039;s often overlooked.  EFF and others got a fair amount of retweeting so even after #privchat discussion moved on to the other questions, tweets about the PATRIOT Act kept showing up. 

The energy stayed high through the rest of the hour, and I thought it was a great chat in general --  including good discussions of mobile app privacy, data retention, and a surprise guest appearance by @RedTapeChron (Bob Sullivan of MSNBC) in the discussion of the Epsilon privacy breach.  So a good experience all around!  

Coincidentally or not, &lt;a href=&quot;http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2011/04/11/patriot-act-update-after-a-successful-call-in-day-the-focus-shifts-to-congress/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the PATRIOT Act call-in day was a huge success.  As the PATRIOT Act battle heats up again over the next month&lt;/a&gt;, and Congress starts to consider a host of other privacy-related legislation, it&#039;s exciting to think of the possibilities for #privchat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The April 5 #privchat was the same day as a PATRIOT Act activism campaign, so EFF, BORDC, and Get FISA Right worked together to propose the first question.  Shaun Dakin did a great job at capturing the discussion <a href="http://storify.com/privacycamp/privchat-summary-from-april-5th-2011-twitter-chat-" rel="nofollow">using Storify</a>.  Here&#8217;s an excerpt from the beginning:</p>
<p><center><a href="http://storify.com/privacycamp/privchat-summary-from-april-5th-2011-twitter-chat-" title="Twitter discussion of the PATRIOT Act with EFF, BORDC, GetFISARight" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5069/5610805372_4a79ff0bf3.jpg" width="338" height="500" alt="patriot act at privchat"/></a></center></p>
<p>From an activist perspective, it&#8217;s a great chance to spend a few minutes discussing the issues with allies, and at the same time get the word out to people who aren&#8217;t likely to be aware of what&#8217;s happening.  BORDC&#8217;s tweet about &#8220;material support&#8221; is a great example, providing a pithy summary of an issue that&#8217;s often overlooked.  EFF and others got a fair amount of retweeting so even after #privchat discussion moved on to the other questions, tweets about the PATRIOT Act kept showing up. </p>
<p>The energy stayed high through the rest of the hour, and I thought it was a great chat in general &#8212;  including good discussions of mobile app privacy, data retention, and a surprise guest appearance by @RedTapeChron (Bob Sullivan of MSNBC) in the discussion of the Epsilon privacy breach.  So a good experience all around!  </p>
<p>Coincidentally or not, <a href="http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2011/04/11/patriot-act-update-after-a-successful-call-in-day-the-focus-shifts-to-congress/" rel="nofollow">the PATRIOT Act call-in day was a huge success.  As the PATRIOT Act battle heats up again over the next month</a>, and Congress starts to consider a host of other privacy-related legislation, it&#8217;s exciting to think of the possibilities for #privchat!</p>
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		<title>By: PATRIOT Act Update: After a successful call-in day, the focus shifts to Congress &#171; Get FISA Right</title>
		<link>http://www.talesfromthe.net/jon/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-140896</link>
		<dc:creator>PATRIOT Act Update: After a successful call-in day, the focus shifts to Congress &#171; Get FISA Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] involved to be on their mailing lists. Speaking of Twitter, we had a great discussion of this at #privchat on April 5, and will probably cover it again later this month. If you&#8217;re not on Twitter, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Liminal states :: PATRIOT Act reform: phone the White House on April 5</title>
		<link>http://www.talesfromthe.net/jon/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-139875</link>
		<dc:creator>Liminal states :: PATRIOT Act reform: phone the White House on April 5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 03:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] involved to be on their mailing lists. Speaking of Twitter, we will also be discussing this at #privchat on April 5. If you&#8217;re not on Twitter, here&#8217;s how you can get [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] involved to be on their mailing lists. Speaking of Twitter, we will also be discussing this at #privchat on April 5. If you&#8217;re not on Twitter, here&#8217;s how you can get [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Take Action! On April 5, call the White House to demand PATRIOT Act reform! &#171; Get FISA Right</title>
		<link>http://www.talesfromthe.net/jon/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-138857</link>
		<dc:creator>Take Action! On April 5, call the White House to demand PATRIOT Act reform! &#171; Get FISA Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] involved to be on their mailing lists.  Speaking of Twitter, we will also be discussing this at #privchat on April 5.     If you&#8217;re not on Twitter, here&#8217;s how you can get [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] involved to be on their mailing lists.  Speaking of Twitter, we will also be discussing this at #privchat on April 5.     If you&#8217;re not on Twitter, here&#8217;s how you can get [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Liminal states :: Action Alert: House vote on the Patriot Act coming soon. Time to make some noise (DRAFT)</title>
		<link>http://www.talesfromthe.net/jon/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-127990</link>
		<dc:creator>Liminal states :: Action Alert: House vote on the Patriot Act coming soon. Time to make some noise (DRAFT)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 00:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wadhwa on Quora)Liminal states :: It&#8217;s time for JUSTICE: reforming the Patriot Act (DRAFT) on How can we use #PrivChat to press for #privacy rights? (REVISED)Austin Gunderman on Notes from underground: from the Awful Aughts to a blue moon and an embarassment [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Liminal states :: It&#8217;s time for JUSTICE: reforming the Patriot Act (DRAFT)</title>
		<link>http://www.talesfromthe.net/jon/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-127929</link>
		<dc:creator>Liminal states :: It&#8217;s time for JUSTICE: reforming the Patriot Act (DRAFT)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 19:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Elsbeth</title>
		<link>http://www.talesfromthe.net/jon/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-125929</link>
		<dc:creator>Elsbeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jon,

first of all: thanks a lot for your effort to assemble the ideas. I look very much forward to point 2 (getting the basic infrastructure in place) - that way it will be easier to catch up in case one missed a chat. I would like to add to that site a list of privacy related organizations, sites, applications/software and events. How do you feel about a Wiki so that we all can contribute?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jon,</p>
<p>first of all: thanks a lot for your effort to assemble the ideas. I look very much forward to point 2 (getting the basic infrastructure in place) &#8211; that way it will be easier to catch up in case one missed a chat. I would like to add to that site a list of privacy related organizations, sites, applications/software and events. How do you feel about a Wiki so that we all can contribute?</p>
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		<title>By: Weaver2World</title>
		<link>http://www.talesfromthe.net/jon/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-125711</link>
		<dc:creator>Weaver2World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that primary initial considerations are discussion on: exactly what parties we are up against and who&#039;s behind them, in order to shape the campaign as effectively as possible; who we have within the company and what their particular strengths are, in order to delegate function efficiently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that primary initial considerations are discussion on: exactly what parties we are up against and who&#8217;s behind them, in order to shape the campaign as effectively as possible; who we have within the company and what their particular strengths are, in order to delegate function efficiently.</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://www.talesfromthe.net/jon/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-125664</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the response, Megan.  Great example ...  #dayofsilence also used a Twitter chat very effectively as part of their activism campaigns.

Transcripts are a good point.  You can get privchat transcripts from WTHashtag, but it&#039;d be great if they were all collected some place tool.

Thanks much, I&#039;ll update accordingly!

jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response, Megan.  Great example &#8230;  #dayofsilence also used a Twitter chat very effectively as part of their activism campaigns.</p>
<p>Transcripts are a good point.  You can get privchat transcripts from WTHashtag, but it&#8217;d be great if they were all collected some place tool.</p>
<p>Thanks much, I&#8217;ll update accordingly!</p>
<p>jon</p>
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		<title>By: Megan (@MissHealth)</title>
		<link>http://www.talesfromthe.net/jon/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-124976</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan (@MissHealth)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 03:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids has used Twitter chats as part of its organizing and advocacy strategy in the past. 

Their first Twitter chat was held by their @KickButtsDay account and was promoted on both Twitter and Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=484545409128).  

The topic of the chat was Smoking &amp; the Movies: What is its impact? And what can we do about it? 

Its main purpose was to arm the tobacco control community, particularly the youth advocacy segment, with information about the impact of on-screen smoking and to lay out the organizing strategy for getting smoke-free youth-rated movies in the United States. 

Although I don&#039;t think the @KickButtsDay account has held a Twitter chat since then, it worked incredibly well and generated some fantastic conversion. The conversion carried on after the official chat ended, and turned into a small brainstorming session for organizing for smoke-free movies. 

One of the things I think they did really well, and that I&#039;ve seen a few other well-run Twitter chats do too, is archive the chat for those who might have missed it and for future reference. They set up a wiki: http://kickbuttsday.pbworks.com/ where they recognize a list of some of the chat participants, and provide a very easy-to-read transcript of the chat. 

Several organizations, including the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, have also held Twitter chats for advocacy and organizing purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids has used Twitter chats as part of its organizing and advocacy strategy in the past. </p>
<p>Their first Twitter chat was held by their @KickButtsDay account and was promoted on both Twitter and Facebook (<a href="http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=484545409128)" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=484545409128)</a>.  </p>
<p>The topic of the chat was Smoking &amp; the Movies: What is its impact? And what can we do about it? </p>
<p>Its main purpose was to arm the tobacco control community, particularly the youth advocacy segment, with information about the impact of on-screen smoking and to lay out the organizing strategy for getting smoke-free youth-rated movies in the United States. </p>
<p>Although I don&#8217;t think the @KickButtsDay account has held a Twitter chat since then, it worked incredibly well and generated some fantastic conversion. The conversion carried on after the official chat ended, and turned into a small brainstorming session for organizing for smoke-free movies. </p>
<p>One of the things I think they did really well, and that I&#8217;ve seen a few other well-run Twitter chats do too, is archive the chat for those who might have missed it and for future reference. They set up a wiki: <a href="http://kickbuttsday.pbworks.com/" rel="nofollow">http://kickbuttsday.pbworks.com/</a> where they recognize a list of some of the chat participants, and provide a very easy-to-read transcript of the chat. </p>
<p>Several organizations, including the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, have also held Twitter chats for advocacy and organizing purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: Weaver2World</title>
		<link>http://www.talesfromthe.net/jon/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-124939</link>
		<dc:creator>Weaver2World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live by the principle of openness as this facilitates knowledge flow to all, equally, among other reasons.
But the greatest strategist that ever lived advised (Paraphrased): &#039;Know the shape of your enemy well, but disguise that of your own&#039;. So, it would be to advantage, I feel, at least until we have had a chance to establish basic policy and ongoing strategy, in order to prevent any attempts to preempt.
It may even be to advantage to operate in this manner on a permanent basis, before going public with advocacy/policy, but this is not solely my decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live by the principle of openness as this facilitates knowledge flow to all, equally, among other reasons.<br />
But the greatest strategist that ever lived advised (Paraphrased): &#8216;Know the shape of your enemy well, but disguise that of your own&#8217;. So, it would be to advantage, I feel, at least until we have had a chance to establish basic policy and ongoing strategy, in order to prevent any attempts to preempt.<br />
It may even be to advantage to operate in this manner on a permanent basis, before going public with advocacy/policy, but this is not solely my decision.</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of Weaver2World&#039;s suggestions on Twitter was &quot;have a web site&quot;.  Yeah really.  The Facebook page doesn&#039;t count -- it&#039;s a privacy chat, for heavens&#039; sake, we have to accomodate people who don&#039;t have Facebook accounts!  

Tweeting my #ff&#039;s this morning, I realized that this is another low-hanging fruit areas.  It&#039;d be great for the @Privchat account to #ff everybody who tweeted during privchat each week -- and for individuals to #ff other #privchatters as well.  Once again this helps deepen the community.

While we&#039;re on the basics of blocking-and-tackling, we should also have a well-publicized twitter list.  There might be one for all I know, but it&#039;s not on the @PrivChat page or WTHashtag.

I&#039;ll update the recommendations with this over the weekend...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of Weaver2World&#8217;s suggestions on Twitter was &#8220;have a web site&#8221;.  Yeah really.  The Facebook page doesn&#8217;t count &#8212; it&#8217;s a privacy chat, for heavens&#8217; sake, we have to accomodate people who don&#8217;t have Facebook accounts!  </p>
<p>Tweeting my #ff&#8217;s this morning, I realized that this is another low-hanging fruit areas.  It&#8217;d be great for the @Privchat account to #ff everybody who tweeted during privchat each week &#8212; and for individuals to #ff other #privchatters as well.  Once again this helps deepen the community.</p>
<p>While we&#8217;re on the basics of blocking-and-tackling, we should also have a well-publicized twitter list.  There might be one for all I know, but it&#8217;s not on the @PrivChat page or WTHashtag.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll update the recommendations with this over the weekend&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://www.talesfromthe.net/jon/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-124831</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks very much for the reply, Weaver2World.  Great perspectives.  Thanks also for your Twitter comments.  Your point about getting organised efficiently locally, and then contacting others to create &#039;nodes&#039; in a larger network, is exactly how I think of it.  This is the local part :-)  I&#039;ll be updating the list of recommendations over the weekend will and incorporate your feedback.

&gt; Nobody listens to individuals, especially the competition we’re up against. Combined effort, therefore, is essential.

One of the things that&#039;s exciting about #privchat is that there &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; individuals there who get listened to, at least sometimes: journalists, startup founders, VPs of marketing, advocates who get quoted widely.  So that further increases the value of combined effort.  Like I said, a great opportunity.

&gt; All individuals within a group have their own individual agendas. With any group effort, to some extent or other, these are all compromised.

Not necessarily.  The best group efforts allow each individual to advance their individual agenda -- and also to learn skills, help their career, network, have fun, and make new friends.  Keeping all of these aspects in mind is crucial for getting involvement something like #privchat, where everybody&#039;s doing it in their spare time on busy schedules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks very much for the reply, Weaver2World.  Great perspectives.  Thanks also for your Twitter comments.  Your point about getting organised efficiently locally, and then contacting others to create &#8216;nodes&#8217; in a larger network, is exactly how I think of it.  This is the local part <img src='http://www.talesfromthe.net/jon/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   I&#8217;ll be updating the list of recommendations over the weekend will and incorporate your feedback.</p>
<p>&gt; Nobody listens to individuals, especially the competition we’re up against. Combined effort, therefore, is essential.</p>
<p>One of the things that&#8217;s exciting about #privchat is that there <i>are</i> individuals there who get listened to, at least sometimes: journalists, startup founders, VPs of marketing, advocates who get quoted widely.  So that further increases the value of combined effort.  Like I said, a great opportunity.</p>
<p>&gt; All individuals within a group have their own individual agendas. With any group effort, to some extent or other, these are all compromised.</p>
<p>Not necessarily.  The best group efforts allow each individual to advance their individual agenda &#8212; and also to learn skills, help their career, network, have fun, and make new friends.  Keeping all of these aspects in mind is crucial for getting involvement something like #privchat, where everybody&#8217;s doing it in their spare time on busy schedules.</p>
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		<title>By: Weaver2World</title>
		<link>http://www.talesfromthe.net/jon/?p=2345&#038;cpage=1#comment-124668</link>
		<dc:creator>Weaver2World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings,

Nobody listens to individuals, especially the competition we&#039;re up against.
Combined effort, therefore, is essential.
All individuals within a group have their own individual agendas. With any group effort, to some extent or other, these are all compromised.
But if a generally satisfactory direction can be negotiated, something productive can be created.
A clear, initial, jointly agreed strategy is essential in this regard.
After that, reach out to other bodies and repeat the process.
Create a massive united front, then begin the lobbying through elected spokespeople that can be trusted to adhere to agreed format.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings,</p>
<p>Nobody listens to individuals, especially the competition we&#8217;re up against.<br />
Combined effort, therefore, is essential.<br />
All individuals within a group have their own individual agendas. With any group effort, to some extent or other, these are all compromised.<br />
But if a generally satisfactory direction can be negotiated, something productive can be created.<br />
A clear, initial, jointly agreed strategy is essential in this regard.<br />
After that, reach out to other bodies and repeat the process.<br />
Create a massive united front, then begin the lobbying through elected spokespeople that can be trusted to adhere to agreed format.</p>
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