Like a lot of political sites these days, the Barack Obama Facebook page and One Million Strong for Barack group have been suffering from an infestation of trolls and hate speech. Obama supporters, like others, use Facebook to help with “get out the vote” work (for example posting links to information about polling places) and phonebanking — and get their questions answered. Especially with the key Ohio and Texas votes on Tuesday, the trolling’s a lot worse than just a nuisance: it’s an example of the dirty tricks described in How to Rig an Election.
The group’s admins are doing a great job of trying to keep things under control, and Facebook is apparently working on tools to help them. There are only a few admins, though, so in the short term, it seemed like a good time for a “community defense” effort. Building on Classy Williams’ earlier idea of a troll registry, I started up a thread, and sent out mail to a “secret” group of about 60 people who were concerned about the trolling. Here’s a greatly expanded version of what I said, with some background for non-Facebookers.
Originally posted March 3
Most recent update May 6
Every Facebook wall and discussion board post comes with a Report option. The exact thresholds are mysterious, but if a user gets reported enough, Facebook’s automated filters will first issuing warnings, and eventually disable the account. So step 1 is:
1. if you see a post that violates Facebook’s terms of service, report it
The most frequent clause that people violate is Facebook’s prohibition on users posting “content that we deem to be … defamatory, abusive, inflammatory, harassing, vulgar, obscene, fraudulent, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable”.
When you file a report, cut-and-paste the language they’re using, to make it easier for Facebook people. And try to be specific about how it’s violating Facebook’s terms. For example:
- if somebody is saying derogatory things about blacks or Arabs, it’s probably “hateful and racially objectionable”.
- if somebody’s smearing Muslims (or claiming that Obama’s middle name or associations with Islam make him unfit to be president) then it’s probably “hateful and religiously intolerant”.
- if they’re attacking another user, then it’s probably “abusive and harrassing”
- if they’re repeatedly posting “Hillary rocks, Obama suxx” or fundraising appeals for Clinton, then it’s “inflammatory”.
What about the annoying posts that don’t violate this clause, like the people who continually want to engage in digressions like gun control or who the Republicans might choose for VP? Oh well; nothing we can do about them — they’re exercising their free speech rights and engaging in the political process. If it’s not a violation, don’t report it — but please do see steps #3 and #4 below.
It seems that the more ‘reports’ Facebook gets on a particular user, the more likely they are to do something about. So once you’re done reporting them, let the rest of the group know as well; that way, if they also think the post violates Facebook’s rules, they can report it as well. I’ve started up a “Community defense against trolls” thread in the group to collect all of this information. Please post a reply with the profile’s name, cut-and-pasting an excerpt from the post you’ve reported, and include a link to the thread [if it’s on the board] or the post’s timestamp.
2. once you’ve reported it, tell the other people in the group about it
Over time, this thread will help highlight who the repeat offenders are — which will make it a lot easier for the admins and Facebook to deal with them. It’s also a very public warning to people who are considering trolling: we’re sick of it, and we’re doing something about it, so if you troll be prepared to deal with the consequences.
Then …
3. please do not feed the trolls
I first heard this saying on Usenet back in the 90s and it’s just as true now as it was then: usually, the best thing to do to a troll is ignore him, her, or them. [If you do reply, keep it short and factual — don’t think to their level. ] Trolls post to try to divert discussion or get attention; don’t give them what they want. On a system like Facebook’s, where threads with the most recent posts are at the top, this also means that fewer people will see the trollish threads — unless the trolls spend a lot of time bumping their own threads, which is a waste of energy for them and on top of that makes them look ridiculous.
Once you’ve ignored them …
4. check out the troll donation fund and the discussion thread
… and then go back to your regularly-scheduled activities — like helping to get out the vote!
Of course it’s not like these three steps will make the troll problem go away completely. With luck, though, they should help a lot in keeping the board and the walls useful on Tuesday … and beyond.
To recap:
- if you see a post that violates Facebook’s terms of service, report it
- once you’ve reported it, tell the other people in the group about it
- please do not feed the trolls
- check out the troll donation fund and the discussion thread
jon | 04-Mar-08 at 12:58 pm | Permalink
Things are going pretty well so far. 20 people, including me and a four trolls, have posted in the community defense thread. A troll attempted to interrupt a discussion of LGBT issues (one that an Obama volunteer was using to try to get over a swing voter’s “deal-breaker” objections). As I described it on the board:
Not only that, the Obama Wall is virtually troll and hate-speech free — always a nice thing to see!
What’s interesting is thus far only a few profiles have been reported. Thus far, at least, it seems like the thread is having exactly the kind of deterrent effect we were hoping for.
It’s still early in the day of course … we shall see …
jon | 05-Mar-08 at 8:32 pm | Permalink
My summary, also posted on the Facebook thread and the Dealing with trolls thread on tribe.net
jon | 06-Mar-08 at 5:16 pm | Permalink
One of the people who played a big role on Tuesday helping publicize caucus procedures and “know your rights” information got a phone call from somebody before and after the caucuses:
One more way in which this effort did make a difference.
Carey | 08-Mar-08 at 3:48 pm | Permalink
As requested, here’s my previous post from the FB forums:
Well, as soon as we started winning, we started getting hit hard with trolls. I mean, I was here from the beginning of the voting, and when we were tied, we were relatively free of constant trolling.
As we picked up steam, we also picked up trolls — every winning contest we had in our 11-win streak before last Tuesday gathered us more and more attention from idiots, angry that their candidate was losing (and, in the republicans, upset that our man was polling higher than theirs).
However, our losses in Ohio and Texas really turned things around — very few trolls turned out to make ridiculous accusations that evening. They were all busy celebrating either Clinton’s victory or Obama’s defeat, depending on their personal priorities.
Suddenly, though, it comes out that the worst numbers for Obama still gave Clinton only 25 net delegates — leaving her still trailing by quite a few delegates. We’re winning Wyoming, the CA recount has awarded us a few more delegates than we originally planned on, and Clinton’s victory in Texas still gave us more delegates.
And what happens? The trolls all come out from under their bridges to harass us again.
I say proof positive that we’re going to take this nomination and this election is in the sheer number of people who go out of their way to jump onto this group and tell us that we can’t.
jon | 06-May-08 at 9:59 am | Permalink
The trolling’s still going on a couple of months later. The history’s documented in over a dozen threads, including collectors’ items like First troll in history to apologize and Where are the trolls?, which featured some great quotes by troll-impersonators until a Ron Paul supporter showed up and everybody started talking about the gold standard. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
Carey’s observation continues to hold: it goes in waves, and generally does seem to correlate with whether the media’s portraying the Obama campaign as doing well. There’s some discussion of this in Is it just me or have the trolls multiplied lately?. Vinay Orekondy made a really good point in a thread after several group members responded to a troll’s attempted disruption: the trolls have really helped unify the group. I also think the discussions about the boundaries of what is/isn’t trolling and the importance of dissenting opinions have been very interesting.
Carey also came up with an idea that really complements the “troll registry” as part of a community defense: Dead Horse Topics. These are topics that the group agrees have been done to death (“Barack Obama’s middle name is Hussein!”, the gold standard as solution to all economic problems), and so bringing them up without adding anything new is viewed as trolling. Changing the name to a more animal-friendly “Done with that!”, a possible way of using this: when somebody posts a topic currently on the list, quickly respond with “done with that”. That way, a well-intentioned newcomer who’s inadvertantly brought something up knows to check other threads or the FAQ. This also cuts down the effectiveness of repetitive trolling, because it makes it easier for everybody else not to discuss the gold standard for the zillionth time, or get into an argument about whether this is an infringement of freedom of speech. [It’s not. Done with that.] The “done with that” thread would also be a good first stop for newcomers who want to avoid inadvertantly trolling.*
And speaking of good ideas, Alexandria Melton’s troll donation fund is up to $322 from 13 people. My timing with the topping off thread at the end of April could have been better — the Obama campaign was offering t-shirts and car magnets, and it’s kind of hard to compete against that. Still, since the trolling isn’t going away, there’ll be more opportunities … and for an initial experiment, raising $322 in the first three months is pretty impressive.
As you can probably tell, I think there’s a ton of stuff to learn here. Trolling, flaming, and hate speech has been a huge problem everywhere in the political blogosphere this election year; we really need to learn techniques to deal with it. I think the One Million Stong for Barack group has not only come up with several good ideas here, we’ve also done some initial “proof of concept” implementations; it would be great if others built on this.
In aid of which, I brought up the idea of community defense against trolls on jeffroby’s please don’t feed the trolls on openLeft, and started getting spam comments which get past the automated filter I’m running. Drat. Oh well, gotta start somewhere.
To be continued!
jon
Update, May 8: sure enough, as the MSM decides that Obama’s victory in NC and virtual tie in IN is enough to start treating him as the presumptive nominee, the trolls are out in force. Funny how that works.
* back in mid-March I joined a couple of Ron Paul groups to ask “can Ron win PA?” I was honestly interested in what people thought: it seemed to me he had a chance for a lot of reasons. It turns out that variations of this that had gotten posted by newbies for every single state, and they were kind of tired of it, so I got viewed as a troll which (as in most RP groups) is fine but makes me a legitimate target for abuse. A “done with that” thread sure would have been helpful. But I digress.
** May 22, exact time TBD
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jon | 10-May-08 at 8:40 am | Permalink
The Hillary Clinton group got overrun with trolls last night. A Facebook bug — that’s been reported and unfixed since February — prevented the admins from being able to react. People migrated to a private group; this morning, the board seems calmer, but it’s hard to know whether that’s just a temporary lull.
Here’s what I posted in the since only the trollzz are here thread.
Sigh. There’s also at least one discussion thread in the Obama group. Nothing accessible from outside of Facebook yet, as far as I know, so I’ll start a new thread on liminal states on this situation …
This is probably a good time to mention the resource page we’re putting together on the Computers, Freedom, and Privacy (CFP) wiki on Dealing with hate speech and trolls. There’s a panel on Wednesday, May 20, at 11 a.m. EST on Privacy, Reputation, and the Management of Online Communities, and another Friday, May 22, at 11:00 a.m. on Hate Speech and Oppression in Cyberspace; I’ll also be leading a module on Hate Speech and trolls at the Workshop on Activism and Education Using Social Networks on May 21, specific time still TBD; I’ll try to get somebody from the Clinton group involved to discuss this experience. We are hoping to have streamed audio and a chat backchannel, although as always with CFP the details are still being worked out.
So far, there’s about a dozen useful links (sample moderation policies, essays) and a handful of tips. If you have of tips, resources, or success stories about dealing with trolls, please add them to the page — or as replies here.
I don’t know about everybody else, but I’m sick of trolls and haters disrupting online conversations and shattering groups. I think it’s time to do something about it, and pooling our knowledge together of what works well is a good first step.
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jon | 26-Aug-08 at 10:09 am | Permalink
Christian Glawe’s mid-June troll fund for Obama on Talking Points Memo is another example of a troll donation fund.